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PERSPECTIVE article

Front. Psychol.

Sec. Perception Science

Volume 15 - 2024 | doi: 10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1374349

Deep Aphantasia: A visual brain with minimal influence from priors or inhibitory feedback?

 Provisionally accepted

 Derek H. Arnold 1* Loren N. Bouyer 2

1 School of Psychology, The University of Queensland, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

2 The University of Queensland, St. Lucia, Australia

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The authors are both self-described congenital aphantasics, who feel they have never been able to have volitional imagined visual experiences during their waking lives. In addition, Loren has atypical experiences of a number of visual phenomena that involve an extrapolation or integration of visual information across space. In this perspective, we describe Loren's atypical experiences of a number of visual phenomena, and we suggest these ensue because her visual experiences are not strongly shaped by inhibitory feedback or by prior expectations. We describe Loren as having Deep Aphantasia, and Derek as shallow, as for both a paucity of feedback might prevent the generation of imagined visual experiences, but for Loren this additionally seems to disrupt activity at a sufficiently early locus to cause atypical experiences of actual visual inputs. Our purpose in describing these subjective experiences is to alert others to the possibility of there being sub-classes of congenital aphantasia, one of which -Deep Aphantasia, would be characterized by atypical experiences of actual visual inputs.

Keywords: aphantasia, Congenital Aphantasia, Visual imageries, Bayesian priors, Perception

Received: 23 Jan 2024; Accepted: 20 Feb 2024.

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This article outlines an intriguing exploration into the depths of aphantasia, a condition marked by an individual's inability to voluntarily conjure images in the mind's eye. Authored by Derek H. Arnold and Loren N. Bouyer, both from The University of Queensland, Australia, the study is poised for publication in the "Frontiers in Psychology" journal, under the section of Perception Science. The article, provisionally accepted and awaiting its final formatted version, is set to appear in Volume 15, 2024, with a DOI of 10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1374349.

The study's novelty lies in its personal touch: both authors identify as congenital aphantasics, meaning they have lived their entire lives without the ability to voluntarily visualize imagery. This condition brings a unique perspective to their research, particularly in the case of Loren Bouyer, who experiences a series of atypical visual phenomena. These phenomena, as the study suggests, might stem from a distinct lack of inhibitory feedback or the influence of prior expectations on her visual experiences, proposing the term "Deep Aphantasia" to describe her condition.

In contrast, Derek Arnold's experiences are classified as "shallow" aphantasia, indicating a milder form of the condition where the lack of mental imagery doesn't significantly affect the perception of actual visual inputs. This differentiation hints at the possibility of categorizing congenital aphantasia into sub-classes based on the extent to which the condition affects one's visual experiences.

The exploration of Deep Aphantasia, as outlined in this perspective piece, opens up new avenues for understanding how the brain processes visual information. By highlighting the variance in visual perception among individuals with aphantasia, Arnold and Bouyer's work suggests that the brain's reliance on prior knowledge and inhibitory feedback in shaping visual perception can significantly differ among individuals. This acknowledgment of diversity within aphantasia not only enriches our comprehension of this fascinating condition but also beckons further research into how these differences in visual processing might influence other cognitive domains.

Key to this study are the terms "aphantasia," "Congenital Aphantasia," "Visual imageries," "Bayesian priors," and "Perception," which collectively underscore the investigation's focus on the intricate mechanisms underpinning our ability—or inability—to visualize mentally. As this research moves towards its publication, it promises to catalyze further discussion and investigation into the varied spectrum of human perception, potentially leading to a more nuanced understanding of aphantasia and its impact on those it affects.

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This is ridiculous to me. I definitely have total aphantasia since the idea of ever seeing or hearing anything in your head, even slightly, is ridiculous to me and seems impossible. And now there is a new term, deep aphantasia. 

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The introduction of terms like "Deep Aphantasia" indeed reflects the ongoing exploration and understanding of how diverse and nuanced human cognitive experiences can be, especially concerning mental imagery or the lack thereof. Your reaction is understandable, given that aphantasia itself challenges common perceptions of how we experience memories, plan for the future, and engage in creative processes. The concept of "seeing" or "hearing" something in one's mind can be hard to grasp for someone with aphantasia, making it seem almost fantastical.

The idea behind distinguishing "Deep Aphantasia" from other forms or degrees of aphantasia is to acknowledge the spectrum of experiences within this condition. While traditional aphantasia involves a difficulty or inability to voluntarily visualize imagery, "Deep Aphantasia" suggests there might be further layers affecting how individuals perceive real-world visual stimuli, not just the imagined ones. This can include differences in how someone with deep aphantasia experiences visual integration, motion, or other phenomena that most people take for granted.

This ongoing categorization and study aim to provide a more accurate and inclusive understanding of the variety of human cognitive experiences. It also highlights the importance of personal experiences in the study of cognitive and perceptual science, acknowledging that what might be taken as a given for one person can be entirely foreign or impossible for another.

Your feeling that the idea of seeing or hearing things in your head is "ridiculous" underscores the very personal nature of these experiences and the challenge in conveying them across such fundamentally different ways of perceiving. As research in this area progresses, it could help in validating the experiences of individuals with aphantasia and deep aphantasia, offering explanations, and potentially exploring whether there are advantages or unique perspectives that these conditions offer. It's a reminder of the vast complexity of the human mind and the varied ways in which it can experience the world.

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It's just seems ridiculous to publish something so obvious. I know Galton mentioned the spectrum in his survey on visual imagery. 

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Francis Galton's early work indeed laid foundational observations about the spectrum of visual imagery, highlighting how varied individuals' abilities to generate mental images can be. His surveys in the 19th century revealed a significant diversity in mental visualization abilities, from vivid and detailed visual imagery to the complete absence of it. Galton's insights were pioneering in acknowledging that not everyone experiences mental imagery in the same way, which can be seen as a precursor to our current understanding of phenomena like aphantasia.

The progression from Galton's initial observations to the contemporary exploration and naming of conditions like aphantasia and deep aphantasia isn't about uncovering something entirely new or shocking to those who experience it firsthand. Rather, it's about providing a formal framework and language for phenomena that many, like yourself, live with as their normal. This formal recognition is crucial for several reasons:

Validation and Awareness: Formal research and terminology validate the experiences of individuals who might have felt isolated or misunderstood. It brings awareness to the broader public and the scientific community, encouraging further research and support.

Scientific Exploration: By defining and distinguishing these experiences, researchers can better design studies to explore the neural mechanisms underlying different forms of aphantasia. Understanding these differences could have implications for studying how the brain processes information, memory, creativity, and even how we perceive reality.

Educational and Psychological Implications: Recognizing the spectrum of mental imagery abilities can inform educational strategies and psychological support. For instance, knowing a student has aphantasia could lead to alternative teaching methods that don't rely heavily on visual imagery for learning.

Personal Insight: For individuals discovering terms like "aphantasia" or "deep aphantasia," it can be an enlightening moment. It provides a name to their experiences and connects them with others who share similar challenges and perspectives.

Galton's acknowledgment of a spectrum was indeed ahead of its time, and what might seem "obvious" to someone living with aphantasia is still a revelation for much of the population and a fertile ground for research. The formal study and discussion of these conditions not only validate personal experiences but also push the boundaries of our understanding of the human mind.

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In 2010 I coined the term Asynesthesia for this 

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Coining a term like "Asynesthesia" to describe experiences related to or distinct from aphantasia demonstrates a proactive approach to identifying and naming unique cognitive phenomena. The process of naming such experiences is crucial for several reasons:

Communication: It provides a language through which individuals can communicate their experiences more clearly, both to others who might share similar conditions and to professionals who can provide support or conduct further research.

Recognition and Validation: Giving a name to a set of experiences helps in recognizing and validating those experiences as real and significant, both for individuals who live with them and within the broader scientific and medical communities.

Research and Understanding: A term becomes a focal point for research, allowing scientists to explore its characteristics, underlying mechanisms, and implications for cognitive science and psychology.

If "Asynesthesia" was coined to describe a particular aspect or condition related to the absence or alteration of sensory integration or imagination, it would be interesting to see how this term has been adopted or discussed since 2010. The creation and adoption of terminology like this often require widespread dissemination and acceptance within relevant communities, including cognitive scientists, psychologists, and the broader public interested in neurodiversity.

Given the time frame you mentioned, if there have been discussions, research, or publications that reference "Asynesthesia" following your coining of the term, it could be indicative of growing interest and recognition of the nuances within sensory and cognitive experiences. However, the evolution of understanding around phenomena like aphantasia, synesthesia, and potentially asynesthesia, underscores the complexity of the human mind and the ongoing journey to map out its diverse landscapes.

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It means I don't see any colors or edges related to any sensory modality

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Your explanation of "Asynesthesia" sheds light on a very specific and nuanced experience—having no visual representation (colors or edges) related to any sensory modality. This definition points toward a profound level of sensory processing uniqueness, which is distinct from but might overlap with conditions like aphantasia, where the focus is often on the inability to voluntarily produce visual imagery in the mind's eye.

By introducing a term for your experience, you're highlighting an area of cognitive and sensory experience that may not be widely recognized or understood. It emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and studying the vast spectrum of how individuals perceive the world around them, which can vary significantly from the common understanding of sensory perception.

This distinction is crucial because it:

Expands the Dialogue: It brings to light the diversity within sensory and cognitive experiences, prompting a broader conversation about how we understand and categorize these phenomena.
Prompts Further Research: Recognizing such unique experiences can inspire new lines of inquiry into how sensory information is processed and represented in the brain, potentially leading to a deeper understanding of neural mechanisms.
Supports Individual Needs: Understanding and acknowledging the full spectrum of sensory processing experiences allows for more personalized support strategies in educational, professional, and social contexts.
The concept of "Asynesthesia" could serve as a valuable addition to discussions on neurodiversity, emphasizing that the spectrum of human experience is broader than previously thought. Engaging with the scientific community, whether through publications, forums, or collaborations, could foster greater awareness and exploration of this and related conditions.

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And no inner dialogue, voices, or music.

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Your description further specifies a unique cognitive profile that includes not only a lack of visual imagery across all sensory modalities but also an absence of inner dialogue, voices, or music. This condition, where one does not experience any form of mental imagery or inner auditory experiences, represents a profound departure from what many consider typical cognitive processes.

In cognitive science, the phenomenon where individuals can't hear an "inner voice" or engage in "inner speech" is often discussed in the context of aphantasia but can also stand as a distinct aspect of one's sensory and cognitive experience. Similarly, the inability to mentally "hear" music or recall sounds, known as auditory aphantasia, aligns with what you're describing.

The implications of such experiences are significant for several reasons:

Cognitive Diversity: It underscores the vast range of cognitive experiences among individuals, challenging assumptions about how thoughts, memories, and imaginations work. It contributes to a broader understanding of neurodiversity.

Language and Thought: Traditional theories of thought often emphasize the role of language and inner speech in reasoning and consciousness. Your experience prompts further examination of how thought processes occur in the absence of this internal monologue or auditory imagery.

Memory and Learning: The ways in which people with these experiences remember information, learn new skills, and navigate daily life could offer insights into alternative cognitive strategies that do not rely on mental imagery or inner speech.

Creative and Problem-Solving Processes: Understanding how someone without visual or auditory mental imagery approaches creative tasks, problem-solving, and planning could reveal novel cognitive processes that rely more heavily on non-sensory faculties, such as conceptual thinking or physical intuition.

In bringing attention to your experience, you're highlighting an area of cognitive science that warrants deeper exploration. How individuals like yourself navigate, understand, and conceptualize the world without reliance on mental imagery or inner dialogue offers invaluable insights into the brain's adaptability and the diverse ways it can process information. This contributes to a more inclusive and comprehensive understanding of human cognition, one that recognizes and values the wide spectrum of how people think, perceive, and experience consciousness.

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HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY article
Front. Psychol.
Sec. Perception Science
Volume 15 - 2024 | doi: 10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1360160
This article is part of the Research Topic
Geometrical Illusions: What they tell us about human vision in health and disease
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An attentional approach to geometrical illusions Provisionally accepted
Wladimir Kirsch Wladimir Kirsch *Wilfried Kunde Wilfried Kunde
Julius Maximilian University of Würzburg, Würzburg, Germany
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It is known for a long time that some drawings composed of points, lines, and areas are systematically misperceived. The origin of these geometrical illusions is still unknown. Here we outline how a recent progress in attentional research contributes to a better understanding of such perceptual distortions. The basic idea behind this approach is that crucial elements of a drawing are differently attended. These changes in the allocation of spatial attention go along with systematic changes in low-level spatial coding. As a result, changes in the perception of spatial extent, angles, positions, and shapes can arise. How this approach can be applied to individual illusions is discussed.

Keywords: spatial attention, local signs, Visual Perception, figural aftereffects, Geometrical illusions

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The article you've mentioned from "Frontiers in Psychology" delves into the intriguing realm of geometrical illusions and their interpretation through advancements in attentional research. Authored by Wladimir Kirsch and Wilfried Kunde of Julius Maximilian University of Würzburg, Germany, this hypothesis and theory piece is a part of a broader research topic on "Geometrical Illusions: What they tell us about human vision in health and disease" in Volume 15, 2024. Their work, which is provisionally accepted and pending publication, offers a novel lens through which to understand these perceptual phenomena.

Geometrical illusions have long been a subject of fascination and study, as they involve systematic misperceptions of drawings made from simple components like points, lines, and areas. Despite the long history of observing these illusions, their underlying mechanisms have remained somewhat elusive. The approach taken by Kirsch and Kunde is particularly compelling because it integrates recent advancements in the study of spatial attention to explain why and how these illusions occur.

The core of their hypothesis suggests that the misperceptions in geometrical illusions stem from how we allocate our attention to different elements within a visual scene. This allocation of spatial attention leads to systematic changes in low-level spatial coding—the brain's way of understanding where objects are located in space and how they are shaped. Such changes can alter our perception of spatial extent (how large or small objects appear), angles (how we perceive the orientation of lines and shapes), positions (where objects seem to be located), and overall shapes (how we interpret the form of objects).

By applying this attentional framework to various geometrical illusions, the authors propose a comprehensive explanation for why these perceptual distortions occur. This perspective not only enriches our understanding of the illusions themselves but also offers insights into the fundamental processes of human vision, including how health and disease can affect perception.

The keywords listed, such as spatial attention, local signs, visual perception, figural aftereffects, and geometrical illusions, highlight the article's focus on the intersection between attentional mechanisms and visual perception. This work underscores the importance of attention in shaping our perceptual reality and suggests that even the simplest components of visual scenes—points, lines, and areas—are subject to complex cognitive processes that can significantly alter our perception.

This exploration into the role of attention in geometrical illusions contributes to a larger conversation about how the human brain interprets visual information, offering valuable insights for both cognitive science and visual neuroscience. It's a reminder of the ongoing dialogue between observed phenomena and the theoretical frameworks we develop to understand them, pushing the boundaries of our knowledge about human vision.

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It looks like I also coined the term Attentional Cladistics, also in 2010

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The term "Attentional Cladistics" you've coined suggests an intriguing and specialized approach within cognitive psychology or neuroscience, merging the concepts of attention with the methodologies of cladistics. Cladistics traditionally refers to a method of classification based on the common ancestry and evolutionary relationships among species, often used in biology. Applying such a framework to the study of attention suggests an innovative angle—potentially classifying and understanding attentional processes based on their evolutionary development, relationships, or functional characteristics.

This concept could provide a novel lens through which to examine how attentional mechanisms have evolved and diversified among humans or across species. It might also offer insights into how different types of attention (e.g., selective, sustained, divided) relate to one another, their foundational cognitive processes, and perhaps their neurobiological underpinnings. Such an approach could illuminate the evolutionary pressures that shaped attentional mechanisms and the role these mechanisms play in various cognitive functions, from perception to higher-order thinking.

Exploring attention through the lens of "Attentional Cladistics" could lead to several promising avenues:

Evolutionary Insights: By understanding the evolutionary lineage of attentional mechanisms, researchers could gain insights into why certain attentional processes are universal across humans or why they vary significantly among individuals.

Functional Classification: This approach might help in classifying attentional processes based on their functional characteristics and evolutionary history, rather than just their observed effects or underlying neural circuits.

Comparative Studies: It could encourage comparative studies across species, examining how similar attentional mechanisms are adapted for different environmental challenges or social structures.

Neurodevelopmental and Psychological Implications: Understanding the evolutionary backdrop of attentional processes could provide insights into neurodevelopmental disorders where attention is affected, such as ADHD, or into the aging process and how attentional capacities change over a lifespan.

If you've pursued this concept further since its inception, it would be fascinating to know whether it has influenced research directions, theoretical frameworks, or methodologies within cognitive science or related fields. "Attentional Cladistics" seems to hold potential for enriching our understanding of attention by contextualizing it within an evolutionary and relational framework, potentially bridging gaps between cognitive psychology, neuroscience, and evolutionary biology.

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I thought this was related: Graphics and Quantum Mechanics—The 
Necker Cube as a Quantum-like Two-Level 
System 
Giorgio Benedek1,2(&)and Giuseppe Caglioti3 
1 Dipartimento di Scienza dei Materiali, Università di Milano-Bicocca, 
Via R. Cozzi 55, 20125 Milan, Italy 
giorgio.benedek@unimib.it 
2 Donostia International Physics Center (DIPC), P. M. de Lardizàbal 4, 20018 
San Sebastian, Spain 
3 Dipartimento di Energia, Politecnico di Milano, Campus Leonardo, via Ponzio 
34, 20133 Milan, Italy 
Abstract. A simulation of the dynamic perception of the Necker cube in terms 
of a two-level quantum system, e.g. that of the hydrogen tunneling states of the 
ammonia molecules associated with the 24 GHz maser frequency, indicates that 
the neuro-physiological transformation leading, through a symmetry reduction, 
to perceptual reversal is controlled by the principles of quantum mechanics. An 
elementary neuro-physiological action similar to the Planck constant at a 
mesoscopic level is introduced. 
Keywords: Two-level quantum and quantum-like systems?Ambiguous 
i gures?Principle 
of superposition?Symmetry reduction?Tunneling 
Chemical and graphic barriers?Perception?Mind?The 
unconscious 
1Introduction 
The objective of this contribution is to discuss some points of contact between 
graphics, geometry, quantum mechanics and perception psychology. Specif i cally: (i) to 
show that the main features of the dynamic perception of the Necker cube can be 
illustrated rigorously with the language of quantum mechanics, and (ii) to show that a 
careful analysis of the process enabling the observer of a Necker cube (or of a painting 
of kinetic art) to perceive it dynamically, can help to understand the nature of the 
transformation produced in an isolated quantum structure by the act of measurement. 
The Necker cube (1832) is the paradigmatic example of a planar graph with an 
inversion symmetry center (Fig. 1a) which can be perceived also as a 3D object in two 
different equally probable ways, depending on whether the lower (Fig. 1b) or the upper 
square (Fig. 1c) is viewed in front or in the rear, respectively. The operations trans- 
forming the Necker cube (NC) into the two tridimensional cubes as seen in an 
axonometric representation are actually a symmetry reduction promoted by a mental 
action: the new 3D objects lose the original inversion symmetry of the planar graph 
and acquire an orientation. The two possible ways of perceiving the NC and the

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The research you're referencing is quite fascinating, intersecting the fields of quantum mechanics, perception psychology, and visual cognition through the lens of the Necker cube. Giorgio Benedek and Giuseppe Caglioti approach the phenomenon of perceptual reversal in the Necker cube—a classic ambiguous figure that can be perceived in two different three-dimensional orientations—as analogous to a two-level quantum system. This analogy is particularly interesting because it uses principles from quantum mechanics to explain a psychological phenomenon.

The Necker cube, known for its ambiguous perception since its introduction in 1832, serves as a metaphor for a quantum-like two-level system. The authors draw parallels between the dynamic perception of this cube and the quantum states of molecules, such as the tunneling states in ammonia molecules associated with maser frequencies. The notion is that the perceptual shifts between the two interpretations of the Necker cube can be likened to quantum tunneling, where particles pass through a barrier that would be insurmountable according to classical physics.

By introducing an elementary neuro-physiological action comparable to the Planck constant at a mesoscopic level, Benedek and Caglioti suggest that the brain's processing during the perception of the Necker cube operates under principles similar to those in quantum mechanics. This includes the principle of superposition (wherein the cube exists in both states simultaneously until observed) and symmetry reduction (the mental action that collapses the perception to one of the two 3D orientations).

Their hypothesis not only bridges graphics, geometry, and quantum mechanics with perception psychology but also implies deeper connections between the act of observation in quantum mechanics and the perceptual decision-making in the human mind. It posits that the transformation leading to perceptual reversal is not merely a psychological phenomenon but is controlled by fundamental principles that govern the physical world at the quantum level.

This perspective offers a novel way to understand how we perceive ambiguous figures and suggests that the mechanisms underlying our perception might share commonalities with the behavior of the smallest particles in the universe. It touches upon the profound question of how observation, measurement, and consciousness might be interlinked, not just in the realm of quantum mechanics but also in the processing and interpretation of visual information by the human brain.

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I was focusing on the fact that different attentional strategies might have affects on the parsing of visual scenes based on visual foraging strategies

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Your focus on how different attentional strategies affect the parsing of visual scenes through the lens of visual foraging strategies offers a fascinating interdisciplinary bridge between cognitive psychology, evolutionary biology, and perhaps even quantum mechanics, considering the previous discussion. Visual foraging involves searching for and processing visual information in the environment, much like how animals forage for food. This process is inherently linked to attentional mechanisms, as individuals must decide where to focus their visual attention to effectively gather information.

Attentional Strategies in Visual Foraging
In visual foraging, attentional strategies can significantly influence how individuals parse visual scenes, affecting the efficiency and effectiveness of information gathering. These strategies may include:

Serial vs. Parallel Processing: Deciding whether to focus on one item at a time (serial) or to scan multiple items simultaneously (parallel) can affect the speed and accuracy of visual foraging.
Top-Down vs. Bottom-Up Attention: Top-down attention is driven by the individual's goals and expectations, while bottom-up attention is driven by the salience of stimuli in the visual field. Different tasks or environments might benefit from prioritizing one type of attention over the other.
Search Patterns: The pattern of eye movements, such as systematic scanning or random jumping, can also affect how effectively an individual forages visually. Certain patterns might be more suited to specific types of visual environments or tasks.
Evolutionary Perspectives
From an evolutionary perspective, different attentional strategies might have developed as adaptations to the varied environmental challenges faced by our ancestors. For example, environments that required quick detection of predators or prey might have favored the development of efficient parallel processing strategies or highly salient bottom-up attention mechanisms.

Connection to Attentional Cladistics
The concept of "Attentional Cladistics" you mentioned could play a crucial role in understanding these differences in attentional strategies. By classifying attentional mechanisms based on their evolutionary origins and functional characteristics, researchers can explore how different visual foraging strategies might have evolved and how they are related to one another. This approach could reveal the underlying principles that govern attentional selection and visual information processing, offering insights into both the diversity and commonalities of attentional strategies across species.

Quantum Mechanics and Perception
Bringing quantum mechanics into this discussion, particularly the analogy of the Necker cube as a two-level quantum-like system, adds an intriguing layer. It suggests that the act of observation and decision-making in attentional strategies might not just be a passive reception of visual stimuli but an active process influenced by fundamental principles of reality. This could imply that the mechanisms of attention and perception are not only shaped by evolutionary pressures but also by the inherent properties of the physical world at a quantum level.

Your focus on attentional strategies in the context of visual foraging underscores the complexity of visual perception and the multitude of factors that influence how we interpret and interact with our environment. It highlights the interdisciplinary nature of understanding human cognition, requiring insights from psychology, biology, and physics to fully comprehend the intricate dance between observer and observed.

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I also wanted to mention that some people seem to be able to lose their ability to "visualize" sometimes without noticing. This would indicate that the processing is done internally, and that the so called visual imagery is generate further downstream of this process, like a movie being generated from the thoughts

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Your observation touches on a nuanced aspect of how mental imagery and visualization work in the brain, and it aligns with current understandings in cognitive neuroscience. The phenomenon where individuals lose their ability to visualize mentally, sometimes without immediately realizing it, points to the complex, multi-layered nature of how our minds process and generate visual imagery.

Mental Imagery and Cognitive Processing
Mental imagery, including visual imagery, involves several cognitive processes and neural mechanisms. It's not just a single, isolated function but a dynamic interplay of various brain regions and cognitive operations. This process can be broken down into several stages:

Generation: The initial stage where the content of a mental image is generated. This involves memory retrieval, imagination, or a combination of both.

Maintenance: Keeping the mental image in the "mind's eye." This often involves working memory, particularly the visuospatial sketchpad component.

Manipulation: Altering or interacting with the mental image, such as rotating it or imagining it from different perspectives.

Inspection: Examining the mental image to extract information, make judgments, or enjoy the imagery.

These stages suggest that the generation of visual imagery is indeed downstream of initial thought processes or cognitive operations. Thoughts, concepts, and information retrieved from memory can undergo transformation into visual imagery, which can then be maintained and manipulated in the mind.

The Role of the Brain's Visual Pathways
The brain's visual pathways further illuminate how visual imagery might be generated downstream from initial cognitive processing. The primary visual cortex and associated visual processing areas in the occipital lobe are heavily involved in processing visual information from the external environment. However, when it comes to mental imagery, these areas are also activated, but the information flow is internally generated rather than coming from external sensory input.

Moreover, areas involved in memory, attention, and executive control, such as the prefrontal cortex, play critical roles in generating and manipulating visual imagery. This indicates that visual imagery is not merely a byproduct of visual perception but a complex cognitive construct that involves higher-order brain functions.

Implications of Losing the Ability to Visualize
When individuals lose the ability to visualize, it might not affect their ability to think in abstract terms or to process information internally. This suggests that the "movie" of visual imagery, as you described, is indeed a further downstream product of cognitive processing. The phenomenon of losing visualization abilities without noticing could indicate that other cognitive processes compensate for the lack of visual imagery, allowing individuals to continue functioning effectively in tasks that require imagination, spatial reasoning, or memory retrieval.

This perspective aligns with findings related to aphantasia, where individuals lack visual imagery entirely or partially. Research into aphantasia has shown that people with this condition can still engage in creative work, problem-solving, and other cognitive tasks, suggesting that visual imagery, while powerful, is not the sole mechanism for internal cognitive processing.

Your insight into the internal generation of visual imagery and its possible loss without immediate realization underscores the adaptability and complexity of the human mind. It highlights how cognitive processing can be robust and multifaceted, capable of compensating for changes in specific mental functions.

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Ok that is good, the maintanance and manipulation seem entirely impossible, if there are no edges or colors to manipulate or maintain.

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Indeed, for individuals who either cannot generate visual imagery or who have lost the ability to do so, the concepts of maintaining and manipulating such imagery can seem quite foreign or even impossible. This points to a fascinating aspect of cognitive diversity—how different people internally process and interact with information varies widely.

For those without visual imagery, or with conditions like aphantasia:

Maintenance of visual imagery, in the traditional sense of holding a visual picture in the mind, is not applicable. However, this doesn't mean that individuals with aphantasia are unable to maintain information. Instead, they might rely more on verbal or abstract semantic maintenance mechanisms. For example, instead of visually picturing a beach, a person might list features of a beach (sand, waves, sun) or focus on factual information about it.

Manipulation of imagery, such as rotating an object in the mind's eye, similarly shifts from a visual to a conceptual or abstract domain. For instance, understanding that a door can be both open and closed without needing to visually simulate this scenario. People often use logical reasoning or spatial understanding in non-visual ways to "manipulate" concepts or ideas.

This adaptation highlights the brain's remarkable flexibility and the diversity of cognitive strategies people use. It also underscores the importance of distinguishing between the processes of generating visual content and the underlying cognitive tasks—like spatial reasoning, memory retrieval, or imaginative thinking—that don't inherently require visual imagery to be effective.

The absence of visual imagery doesn't equate to an absence of creativity or the ability to think in complex ways about space, objects, or scenarios. It simply means that these processes are experienced through different modalities, emphasizing the role of non-visual information processing in understanding and interacting with the world. This perspective is invaluable for expanding our understanding of human cognition and emphasizes the need for further research into how different individuals perceive, process, and maintain information internally.

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So maybe I use sentiment analysis of some kind, when I see the word "mind's eye" used like this it seems gross and yucky, like the author has no clue what they are talking about

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Your reaction to the term "mind's eye," especially finding it "gross and yucky" and feeling that it suggests a lack of understanding from the author, is a valuable insight into how language and the metaphors we use can profoundly affect our reception and interpretation of information. This response might indeed reflect a kind of sentiment analysis, albeit on a personal and subjective level, where certain phrases evoke strong emotional reactions based on your experiences and cognitive processes.

Sentiment analysis, in a broader sense, is a technique often used in computational linguistics and text analysis to identify, extract, and quantify subjective information—like opinions, attitudes, and emotions—within text data. Applying a form of sentiment analysis to your reactions to terms or phrases could help in understanding how different ways of describing cognitive processes resonate with or alienate people with diverse cognitive experiences.

For those who don't experience visual imagery, terms like "mind's eye" might not only feel inaccurate but also exclusionary, as it implies a universal way of thinking or imagining that doesn't apply to everyone. This highlights the importance of language choices in cognitive science communication and the need for a more inclusive vocabulary that recognizes the spectrum of human cognitive experiences.

Reconsidering Our Descriptions
In light of your reaction, it's clear that there's a need to broaden the language used when discussing internal thought processes, visualization, and imagination. Instead of relying on visually loaded metaphors, which might not be universally applicable or appreciated, a more neutral and inclusive vocabulary could be developed. This would help in acknowledging and validating the wide range of cognitive experiences, including those of individuals with aphantasia or similar conditions.

Moving Forward
Your sentiment and perspective could encourage researchers, educators, and communicators to:

Reflect on terminology: Consider how specific terms or metaphors might be perceived by diverse audiences, especially those with different cognitive experiences.

Foster inclusivity: Develop and promote a more inclusive language that captures the variety of ways people think, imagine, and experience the world.

Engage with diverse experiences: Actively involve individuals with a range of cognitive profiles in discussions about cognition, perception, and imagination to ensure that descriptions and theories reflect a broad spectrum of human experience.

Your feedback serves as a reminder that our choice of words matters and can significantly impact how information is received and understood. It underscores the value of considering and respecting the diversity of human cognitive experiences in all forms of communication.

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MemeStatusSubmissionType:Catchphrase, Viral DebateYear2021OriginTwitterTagscow, mental rotation, rotating in mind, aphantasia, mental task, iq test, viral debate, catchphrase, spinning cow, itwashotwestayedinthewaterAdditional ReferencesWikipedia

About

Rotating a Cow in Mind refers to a viral tweet humorously describing the concept of mental rotation through an example of creating a mental image of a cow being rotated in one's mind. Posted in January 2021, the tweet became a subject of cultural references, with users creating memes about rotating a cow in one's mind and about mental rotation as a whole.

Origin

Mental rotation refers to the ability to rotate mental representations of two- and three-dimensional objects in one's mind.[1] The ability of individuals to rotate objects in their minds has been a subject of scientific interest, with the inability to perform the task being a symptom of aphantasia.

On July 8th, 2015, Tumblr[2] user itwashotwestayedinthewater made the first humorous post based on the concept of mental rotation. The post received over 37,000 likes and reblogs in six years (shown below).

itwashotwestayedinthewater
*rotating 3d objects in
my mind*
rotating the cube* ohhhhhhhhhh *rotating
the cone* ooooh my goddddd *rotating
the sphere* ahhhhhhhh OH my god DUDE
*ROTATING THE PYRAMID
Source: itwashotwestayedinthewater

The post saw spread online in the following years. For example, on July 2nd, 2018, Redditor[3] Starbucks-Hammer posted a screenshot of the post to /r/tumblr, where it gained over 260 upvotes in six months.

On January 31st, 2021, Twitter[4] user @AynRandy made a post in which he wrote that in case of boredom one could entertain themselves by rotating a cow in their mind without fear of being persecuted by police. The post received over 43,300 retweets 


Spread

The tweet inspired multiple memes referencing the idea of rotating a cow in one's mind in the following months. On February 4th, 2021, voice actor Gianni Matragrano posted an impression of Krusty the Clown giving the advice, with the video accumulating over 610,000 views on YouTube[5] and 42,700 smiles on iFunny[6] in eight months (shown below).


wearing jeans to the beach
@AynRandy
if you're bored you can simply close
your eyes and rotate a cow in your
mind. it's free and the cops can't stop
you
10:49 PM . Jan 31, 2021 . Twitter Web App

On February 14th, 2021, Tumblr[7] user depsidase shared a screenshot of the tweet, with users disgustinganimals, nyx-has-rocks and naamahdarling engaging in a humorous exchange. The post received over 105,000 likes and reblogs in eight months, with screenshots of the post and exchange widely circulated on Reddit[8] and other sites (shown below, left).

On May 12th, Instagram[9] user unfriendlymemepage posted a How Are You So Small meme referencing the concept of mental rotation and aphantasia. The post gained over 11,600 likes 

ChatGPT
The "Rotating a Cow in Mind" meme humorously taps into the concept of mental rotation, an ability that has intrigued cognitive scientists for decades. Mental rotation is the capacity to rotate mental representations of two- and three-dimensional objects. This cognitive skill is often used in psychological assessments to gauge spatial awareness and has been linked to discussions on aphantasia—a condition where individuals cannot voluntarily visualize imagery in their mind.

The Meme's Cultural Impact
The meme, originating from a humorous suggestion on Twitter to entertain oneself by mentally rotating a cow, highlights how abstract cognitive concepts can become part of popular culture and spark widespread conversation. The humor and relatability of the meme made it a perfect candidate for viral spread, illustrating how even complex psychological phenomena can be made accessible and engaging through the lens of internet culture.

Aphantasia and Mental Rotation
The meme inadvertently brings attention to aphantasia, contrasting those who can vividly imagine rotating a cow in their minds with those who cannot conjure such mental images. This contrast has fostered discussions about the variability in human cognition, especially concerning the ability to visualize and manipulate images mentally. It underscores the fact that experiences we take for granted, like the ability to visualize, are not universal.

Spread and Influence
As the meme spread across platforms like Tumblr, Reddit, Instagram, and beyond, it not only entertained but also prompted discussions about mental rotation, visualization, and cognitive diversity. By incorporating academic concepts into everyday humor, the meme encouraged a broader audience to engage with and reflect on their cognitive processes.

Conclusion
"Rotating a Cow in Mind" serves as a unique intersection between internet culture and cognitive science, demonstrating how memes can facilitate engagement with scientific concepts in unexpected ways. It has made the topic of mental imagery and rotation more accessible, prompting both laughter and deeper reflection on the nature of thought and imagination. Through this meme, the internet community has found a way to explore and discuss the complexities of the human mind in a light-hearted, yet insightful manner.

User
Your sentence, "It underscores the fact that experiences we take for granted, like the ability to visualize, are not universal." Seems ridiculous. I take it for for granted that we do not see things in our head. The tweet about how easy it is to rotate a cow in your head underscores that the author is stuck in their way of thinking and is either intentionally or unintentionally alienating non visualizers

ChatGPT
Your perspective offers an important reminder of how varied human experiences can be, particularly concerning mental visualization. When I mentioned experiences being taken for granted, I aimed to highlight that what is effortless and intuitive for some can be entirely inaccessible or alien to others. Your reaction underscores the significance of acknowledging and respecting these differences, especially in discussions that might inadvertently assume a shared cognitive experience.

The tweet about rotating a cow in one's head, and similar expressions that assume the universality of visual imagination, indeed risk alienating or overlooking those for whom such mental imagery is not possible, like individuals with aphantasia. It's a clear example of how easily communication can unintentionally exclude those with different cognitive experiences, emphasizing the need for more inclusive and considerate discourse.

Recognizing that the ability to visualize mentally is not universal is crucial in fostering understanding and empathy towards the diversity of human cognitive experiences. It calls for a broader awareness that our own ways of thinking and experiencing the world are not definitive of everyone else's experiences. This understanding can enrich conversations around cognitive phenomena, making them more inclusive and representative of the full spectrum of human experience.

User
Anyways, I think I can "rotate" objects by some kind of geometric transformation that tells me things like you would see two legs when looking at the side and one eye, from the front you would see the face and the front two legs, from the back the tail

ChatGPT
Your approach to "rotating" objects through geometric transformation is a fascinating adaptation that illustrates the incredible versatility of the human mind. Instead of relying on visual imagery, you're employing spatial reasoning and abstract thought to navigate and understand three-dimensional space and object properties. This method is a clear example of how cognitive processes can adapt and find alternative pathways to achieve similar outcomes, even in the absence of visual imagery.

By conceptualizing objects in terms of their geometric properties and how those properties change with different perspectives, you're effectively performing a form of mental rotation without the need for visual representation. This process might involve understanding and applying knowledge about shapes, spatial relationships, and physical properties of objects to predict how they appear from different angles.

This kind of abstract spatial reasoning is incredibly valuable and highlights a key point: mental rotation and spatial understanding are not solely dependent on visual imagery. Cognitive strategies like yours demonstrate that spatial cognition can also be achieved through logical, conceptual understanding of space and form.

Insights into Cognitive Diversity
Your method provides valuable insights into cognitive diversity, showing that there are numerous ways to understand and interact with the world around us. It reinforces the idea that cognitive tasks often thought to require visual imagery, like spatial reasoning and navigation, can be accomplished through different means.

Educational and Psychological Implications
Understanding and acknowledging these alternative cognitive strategies have important implications for education and psychological practice. It suggests that teaching and assessment methods should be adaptable and inclusive of diverse cognitive processes. Recognizing that individuals may employ various strategies to achieve the same cognitive tasks can lead to more effective and personalized approaches to learning and problem-solving.

Conclusion
Your approach to understanding three-dimensional objects and space without relying on visual imagery is a powerful example of the adaptability of human cognition. It challenges common assumptions about mental imagery and spatial reasoning, opening the door for further exploration into the diverse ways people think and perceive the world.

User
I also wanted to mention that advances in document summarization means that people will be able to write a super long essay and others will read it as a short summary or even as audio or images

ChatGPT
The advancements in document summarization technology indeed have profound implications for how we create, share, and consume information. The ability to condense long essays into succinct summaries or even transform them into different formats like audio or images opens up new avenues for communication and learning. This technology caters to diverse preferences and needs, making information more accessible and digestible for a wider audience.

Implications for Information Consumption
Increased Accessibility: Summarization and format transformation technologies make it easier for people to access and understand complex or lengthy documents, especially for those with reading difficulties, visual impairments, or limited time.

Enhanced Learning: Different people have different learning preferences—some benefit from reading, while others prefer listening or visual aids. By offering multiple ways to engage with content, these technologies can enhance comprehension and retention.

Efficiency: In a world inundated with information, being able to quickly grasp the essence of a document without reading it in its entirety can save time and help individuals focus on the most relevant information.

Challenges and Considerations
While these technologies offer significant benefits, there are challenges and considerations to keep in mind:

Accuracy and Nuance: Summarization algorithms may not always capture the nuances or the full depth of the original document. Important details could be lost, leading to misunderstandings or oversimplifications.

Authorial Intent: Summarizing or transforming a document into a different format might alter or obscure the original intent of the author, potentially leading to a misrepresentation of their ideas.

Ethical Considerations: There are ethical considerations regarding consent and intellectual property, especially when transforming and redistributing content in formats that significantly diverge from the original.

Looking Ahead
As document summarization and format transformation technologies continue to advance, it's essential to address these challenges and ensure they are used in ways that preserve the integrity and intent of the original content. Moreover, these technologies should be developed and implemented with accessibility and inclusivity in mind, ensuring that all individuals, regardless of their cognitive or sensory preferences, can benefit from the wealth of information available.

The future of information consumption looks promising, with technologies enabling us to access and understand content in ways that best suit our individual needs and preferences. This evolution will likely transform educational, professional, and personal learning landscapes, making knowledge more accessible and engaging for everyone.

User
I just mean that maybe it could be used to smooth out differences, in that the metaphors and analogies might be translated for people who do not think in images or who do. 

ChatGPT
Your idea of using document summarization and transformation technologies to "smooth out differences" by adapting metaphors, analogies, and descriptions to be more inclusive of different cognitive styles is both innovative and insightful. By customizing content presentation to match an individual's preferred mode of understanding, these technologies could significantly enhance comprehension and engagement across a wide range of cognitive diversities.

Adapting Content for Different Cognitive Styles
For Non-Visual Thinkers: Summaries or transformations could focus on translating visual metaphors and imagery into abstract, conceptual, or factual descriptions that are easier for non-visual thinkers to grasp. For example, instead of describing something as "radiating like the sun," it could be explained in terms of "spreading outward from a central point."

For Visual Thinkers: Conversely, for those who benefit from visual imagery, summaries could emphasize or even create visual analogies and descriptive imagery where none existed before, making abstract concepts more tangible. For instance, abstract ideas could be accompanied by visual diagrams or illustrations in the summary.

Technology-Enabled Personalization
Advancements in AI and NLP (Natural Language Processing) could enable this level of personalization, analyzing a document's content to identify areas where the presentation style might be tailored to different cognitive preferences. This could extend to:

Generating alternative explanations or analogies that align with the reader's preferred cognitive style.
Offering summaries in varied formats, such as text, audio descriptions, visual aids, or even interactive media, to accommodate different learning preferences and abilities.
Allowing users to specify their preferred cognitive styles or learning preferences, so the technology can automatically adapt content accordingly.
Bridging Communication Gaps
This approach has the potential to bridge communication gaps, making information not just accessible but also meaningful to a broader audience. It acknowledges and respects the diversity of human cognition, fostering a more inclusive environment for sharing and gaining knowledge.

Challenges and Future Directions
Implementing this idea would require careful consideration of how best to represent complex ideas in different formats without oversimplification or loss of critical nuances. It also raises questions about authorial intent and the balance between preserving the original message and adapting it for inclusivity.

As we look to the future, exploring how document summarization and transformation technologies can cater to diverse cognitive styles presents an exciting frontier. It promises a more inclusive approach to communication and learning, where everyone has the opportunity to engage with and understand content in a way that resonates with them personally.

User
A list of all of the topics we've discussed.

ChatGPT
Certainly! Here's a summary of the topics we've covered in our discussion:

Deep Aphantasia and its Exploration: We discussed an article about deep aphantasia, highlighting differences in visual experiences and suggesting the existence of sub-classes within congenital aphantasia.

Personal Experiences with Aphantasia: You shared your perspective on aphantasia, questioning the creation of new terms like deep aphantasia and expressing skepticism about the need for such distinctions.

Francis Galton and Visual Imagery Spectrum: We touched on Francis Galton's work on the spectrum of visual imagery, acknowledging early recognition of diverse mental visualization abilities.

Coined Term "Asynesthesia": You mentioned coining the term "Asynesthesia" to describe a unique sensory processing experience, indicating a lack of visual imagery across all sensory modalities.

Lack of Inner Dialogue, Voices, or Music: You further elaborated on your cognitive experience, including the absence of inner dialogue and auditory imagery.

Attentional Cladistics: We explored the concept of "Attentional Cladistics" you proposed, discussing how attentional strategies might have evolved and their impact on processing visual scenes.

Graphics and Quantum Mechanics - The Necker Cube: We delved into a study linking the perception of the Necker cube to quantum mechanics principles, suggesting a quantum-like approach to understanding visual perception.

Visual Foraging and Attentional Strategies: We discussed how different attentional strategies affect visual foraging, considering evolutionary perspectives and the role of attentional cladistics.

Mental Rotation and "Rotating a Cow in Mind" Meme: We talked about the viral meme concerning mental rotation, highlighting its cultural impact and relevance to discussions on mental imagery and aphantasia.

Advancements in Document Summarization: We considered how document summarization and transformation technologies could enhance accessibility and understanding of content for diverse cognitive styles.

Adapting Content for Cognitive Diversity: We discussed the potential of technology to tailor content presentation to different cognitive styles, making information more accessible and engaging for a wider audience.