A main entrance does not stand out well if the building is major

[geozeisig]

A main entrance does not stand out well if the building is a church, train station or airport passenger building. Example: Berliner Dom, S-Bahrenfeld
Maybe we should make the entrance in this case even darker.

[kocio-pl]

@tpikonen What's your take on this? I'm also unsure about #3038.

[dieterdreist]

2018-02-14 14:46 GMT+01:00 geozeisig <[email protected]>:

A main entrance does not stand out well if the building is a church, train station or airport passenger building. Example: Berliner Dom <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1967329593>, S-Bahrenfeld <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3527774968> Maybe we should make the entrance *in this* case even darker.

the Berliner Dom case is not mapped well, because the entrance isn't part of the building but only of a building part which is inside the building.

[tpikonen]

I agree that these examples look pretty bad. Also, buildings-major and places of worship are also the places where map users probably benefit the most from seeing main entrances.

Technically this can be fixed in the SQL level by getting suitable building/way tags from a spatial intersection of the entrance with the building (similar to the solution proposed in PR #2932) and adjusting the color.

The more straightforward solution would be to make all main entrances dark enough to be visible also in these dark buildings.

[dieterdreist]

2018-02-14 16:42 GMT+01:00 tpikonen <[email protected]>:

The more straightforward solution would be to make all main entrances dark enough to be visible also in these dark buildings.

or the opposite: very bright

[polarbearing]

Could we change the title of this issue, s/public/major/ ?

[Tomasz-W]

I've missed a discussion about entrances rendering, and now I find these boxes not intuitive at all. Wouldn't be the classic door symbol from architectural plans suit better here?

https://www.google.pl/search?client=opera&hs=rev&biw=1920&bih=981&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=mDCFWounD4aVsAGZvIPICQ&q=door+archi+symbol&oq=door+archi+symbol&gs_l=psy-ab.3...20463.21680.0.21985.5.5.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.0.0....0.JJp_pckK8TA#imgrc=Fwwb35op2dNOKM:

[dieterdreist]

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On 15. Feb 2018, at 12:46, Tomasz Wójcik ***@***.***> wrote: Wouldn't be the classic door symbol from architectural plans suit better here?

it is not usable for the scales with which we typically deal in OSM and it implies a lot of details (number of parts, direction, opening side and size) which we don’t tag. For entrances the classical symbol is an arrow.

[tpikonen]

I've missed a discussion about entrances rendering, and now I find these boxes not intuitive at all. Wouldn't be the classic door symbol from architectural plans suit better here?

I also thought about this, but this symbol would only work when rotated correctly and getting the direction of the building way requires a rather complicated SQL query. dieterdreist's arguments above against it are also compelling.

I would like to fix this bug and it looks like it requires changes at the SQL level anyway, so maybe the rotated entrance markers will happen. I'm afraid I don't have the time to work on this soon though.

[jeisenbe]

Was this issue fixed by #3659 (Lighten major buildings fill and outline) or is it still a problem?

[pnorman]

There's almost zero contrast between the entrance square and the major building fill.

For comparison,

The Dom example may have tagging issues, but it does show the lack of contrast very well

There's two options. One is to change the colour of entrances globally, and the other is to change it for only major buildings. The former is easy, the latter would require querying for buildings the entrance touches. This is practical - the entrances SQL is simple, and we do similar things with turning circles.

[imagico]

The other obvious design option would be to change the entrance symbol otherwise to work better on different backgrounds, like for example adding a halo. Intuitively i'd say neither this or a stronger color would work well - but i can't say for sure without testing.

Keep in mind that the whole concept of so called major buildings is still an open issue (#2532) - it could be advisable to think these two together.

[dieterdreist]

current symbol works for me, the access ways are very clear to understand what this is, I’d keep the entrances without white fill, halo or similar, in a deemphasized styling